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		<title>Comment on WANTED: Less of the AmeriCAN&#8217;T spirit by Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like this post and agree with so much of it.  I think the great divide in our country comes down to this: the majority of people in this country are hard-working, quiet-living CAN people.  On the other hand, generally speaking those with the money, power, and celebrity (and therefore the money, power, and celebrity to make sure their views are blared constantly) are on the CAN&#039;T side.

The dichotomy you described was illustrated in the &quot;tea parties&quot; that took place this summer.  Those of us who are hard-working, quiet-living people are simply fed up with being told that those with money, power, and celebrity know how to run our lives better than we do.  The reaction of the CAN&#039;T people was shock.  How dare the &quot;unwashed masses&quot; (I am obviously speaking tongue-in-cheek) think they can run their own lives?

I fervently hope that the grassroots fervor that began this year continues and grows because it can only be good for this country for the &quot;average Joe&quot; (the plumber? :) - to have their voice heard.  

Anne @alivenkickin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like this post and agree with so much of it.  I think the great divide in our country comes down to this: the majority of people in this country are hard-working, quiet-living CAN people.  On the other hand, generally speaking those with the money, power, and celebrity (and therefore the money, power, and celebrity to make sure their views are blared constantly) are on the CAN&#8217;T side.</p>
<p>The dichotomy you described was illustrated in the &#8220;tea parties&#8221; that took place this summer.  Those of us who are hard-working, quiet-living people are simply fed up with being told that those with money, power, and celebrity know how to run our lives better than we do.  The reaction of the CAN&#8217;T people was shock.  How dare the &#8220;unwashed masses&#8221; (I am obviously speaking tongue-in-cheek) think they can run their own lives?</p>
<p>I fervently hope that the grassroots fervor that began this year continues and grows because it can only be good for this country for the &#8220;average Joe&#8221; (the plumber? <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8211; to have their voice heard.  </p>
<p>Anne @alivenkickin</p>
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		<title>Comment on WANTED: Less of the AmeriCAN&#8217;T spirit by Steve Roesler</title>
		<link>http://stevewoodruff.wordpress.com/2009/11/29/are-you-an-american/#comment-1229</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Roesler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

It&#039;s clear--at least to me--that much time and soul-searching was poured into this. I wouldn&#039;t discount the dichotomy as being too &quot;simplistic&quot; for these reasons:

1. In order to arrive at a respectable model that is understandable because of its simplicity, one must do countless hours of thinking, self-debating, and editing. 

2. You&#039;ve characterized the poles in ways that reflect observable actions toward or against what is constitutional, the foundational document that in and of itself was designed to draw a line in the sand regarding freedoms. I would offer that those found to have a majority of beliefs in the &#039;AmeriCan&#039;t&#039; category are also those who reject the Constitution and its underlying philosophy and are willing to use existing political structures to undermine it. 

3. You note that &quot;The major cultural divide is among those whose p-values diverge greatly on multiple levels.&quot; You also state that &quot;As Americans, we expect to differ on many ideas and beliefs, and we seek both reasoned discourse and representative governing structures to move the cultural needle in accordance with our convictions.&quot;

This posture acknowledges that &quot;differences&quot; are expected yet, at the same time, there is also an expectation that governing structures will allow any related discourse to be conducted in a sprit of reason. Herein lies one of the fundamental issues we face.

The spirit of &quot;reasoned&quot; discourse in government is becoming rare, if not extinct. One party is totally shut out of processes able to be controlled by the other (this can hold true for both sides of the aisle). &quot;Reasoned&quot; requires a firm foundation on which arguments can be weighed; that foundation has always been, and was intended to be, the Constitution. Those with a majority of low p-values would, by definition, ignore such a foundation as irrelevant or non-&quot;foundational&quot;. Since the Constitution was also designed to provide, in great part, the &quot;spirit&quot; of future debate, it&#039;s dismissal opens the door for &quot;spirits&quot; of all kinds. If nothing more than lip service is paid to the Constitution, then my rights and my arguments are as valid as yours, simply because I say so. There is no accepted &quot;right&quot; and &quot;wrong&quot;. This would seem to me to offer a fertile field for:

a. Anarchy

b. An open door for an ideological figure or figures who had the personal, organizational, and financial wherewithal to promise 300 million people that each could have what (s)he desires and is &quot;entitled&quot; to.

c. Doing what we would advise any business to do when they get off track and into difficulty: Re-visit their core values. 

Option &quot;C&quot; is the only one that requires a spirit of genuine inclusion and compassion, because it means that a group of people has to agonize and search their souls in order to  commit to a path that honors the aspirations of each while ensuring the safety and prosperity of the whole. 

Perhaps there is a hidden irony in all of this. 

You describe a certain &quot;spirit&quot; when defining each of the poles, which would indicate that this is a &quot;spiritual&quot; issue. There are all kinds of spirits: mean ones, loving ones, godly ones, evil ones, and 60% pure grain alcohol. Each can create its own distinct outcomes.

So, one of the questions becomes: What spirit, resting on what foundation, allows you the confidence to approach each of those factors as you do?

Steve, this post is an act of caring and courage. Kudos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s clear&#8211;at least to me&#8211;that much time and soul-searching was poured into this. I wouldn&#8217;t discount the dichotomy as being too &#8220;simplistic&#8221; for these reasons:</p>
<p>1. In order to arrive at a respectable model that is understandable because of its simplicity, one must do countless hours of thinking, self-debating, and editing. </p>
<p>2. You&#8217;ve characterized the poles in ways that reflect observable actions toward or against what is constitutional, the foundational document that in and of itself was designed to draw a line in the sand regarding freedoms. I would offer that those found to have a majority of beliefs in the &#8216;AmeriCan&#8217;t&#8217; category are also those who reject the Constitution and its underlying philosophy and are willing to use existing political structures to undermine it. </p>
<p>3. You note that &#8220;The major cultural divide is among those whose p-values diverge greatly on multiple levels.&#8221; You also state that &#8220;As Americans, we expect to differ on many ideas and beliefs, and we seek both reasoned discourse and representative governing structures to move the cultural needle in accordance with our convictions.&#8221;</p>
<p>This posture acknowledges that &#8220;differences&#8221; are expected yet, at the same time, there is also an expectation that governing structures will allow any related discourse to be conducted in a sprit of reason. Herein lies one of the fundamental issues we face.</p>
<p>The spirit of &#8220;reasoned&#8221; discourse in government is becoming rare, if not extinct. One party is totally shut out of processes able to be controlled by the other (this can hold true for both sides of the aisle). &#8220;Reasoned&#8221; requires a firm foundation on which arguments can be weighed; that foundation has always been, and was intended to be, the Constitution. Those with a majority of low p-values would, by definition, ignore such a foundation as irrelevant or non-&#8221;foundational&#8221;. Since the Constitution was also designed to provide, in great part, the &#8220;spirit&#8221; of future debate, it&#8217;s dismissal opens the door for &#8220;spirits&#8221; of all kinds. If nothing more than lip service is paid to the Constitution, then my rights and my arguments are as valid as yours, simply because I say so. There is no accepted &#8220;right&#8221; and &#8220;wrong&#8221;. This would seem to me to offer a fertile field for:</p>
<p>a. Anarchy</p>
<p>b. An open door for an ideological figure or figures who had the personal, organizational, and financial wherewithal to promise 300 million people that each could have what (s)he desires and is &#8220;entitled&#8221; to.</p>
<p>c. Doing what we would advise any business to do when they get off track and into difficulty: Re-visit their core values. </p>
<p>Option &#8220;C&#8221; is the only one that requires a spirit of genuine inclusion and compassion, because it means that a group of people has to agonize and search their souls in order to  commit to a path that honors the aspirations of each while ensuring the safety and prosperity of the whole. </p>
<p>Perhaps there is a hidden irony in all of this. </p>
<p>You describe a certain &#8220;spirit&#8221; when defining each of the poles, which would indicate that this is a &#8220;spiritual&#8221; issue. There are all kinds of spirits: mean ones, loving ones, godly ones, evil ones, and 60% pure grain alcohol. Each can create its own distinct outcomes.</p>
<p>So, one of the questions becomes: What spirit, resting on what foundation, allows you the confidence to approach each of those factors as you do?</p>
<p>Steve, this post is an act of caring and courage. Kudos.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Blind Spots and Broken Limbs by Impactiviti Daily 112009 &#171; Impactiviti blog</title>
		<link>http://stevewoodruff.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/blind-spots-and-broken-limbs/#comment-1226</link>
		<dc:creator>Impactiviti Daily 112009 &#171; Impactiviti blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Blind Spots and Broken Limbs. I&#8217;ve got them, too&#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Remembering by Tim Jackson</title>
		<link>http://stevewoodruff.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/remembering/#comment-1225</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both of my grandparents are buried there at Rosecrans and I ride there often. Any time I am there I stop to say hello to them and to respect the enormous weight of the sacrifice and service of the people who rest there now. It&#039;s one of the most beautiful views of San Diego and is fitting that those who have served our country rest there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both of my grandparents are buried there at Rosecrans and I ride there often. Any time I am there I stop to say hello to them and to respect the enormous weight of the sacrifice and service of the people who rest there now. It&#8217;s one of the most beautiful views of San Diego and is fitting that those who have served our country rest there.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I Plan to Vote for Chris Daggett for NJ Governor by GOTV for DAGGETT - Daggett For Governor</title>
		<link>http://stevewoodruff.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/why-i-plan-to-vote-for-chris-daggett-for-nj-governor/#comment-1223</link>
		<dc:creator>GOTV for DAGGETT - Daggett For Governor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://stevewoodruff.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/why-i-plan-to-vote-for-chris-daggett-for-nj-governor/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://stevewoodruff.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/why-i-plan-to-vote-for-chris-daggett-for-nj-governor/" rel="nofollow">http://stevewoodruff.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/why-i-plan-to-vote-for-chris-daggett-for-nj-governor/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hitting the Wall by Terro</title>
		<link>http://stevewoodruff.wordpress.com/2009/10/28/hitting-the-wall/#comment-1221</link>
		<dc:creator>Terro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think it&#039;s a good reason for walls that wasn&#039;t on Robert Frost&#039;s list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think it&#8217;s a good reason for walls that wasn&#8217;t on Robert Frost&#8217;s list.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hitting the Wall by Cheryl Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the term &quot;situational/selective stupidity&quot;  - fits perfectly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the term &#8220;situational/selective stupidity&#8221;  &#8211; fits perfectly!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hitting the Wall by Jon Swanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Swanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and the value of community is to help each other find...and climb...our walls. Which takes tremendous vulnerability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and the value of community is to help each other find&#8230;and climb&#8230;our walls. Which takes tremendous vulnerability.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I Plan to Vote for Chris Daggett for NJ Governor by alexhiggins732</title>
		<link>http://stevewoodruff.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/why-i-plan-to-vote-for-chris-daggett-for-nj-governor/#comment-1218</link>
		<dc:creator>alexhiggins732</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The I&#039;ll vote for Daggett Pledge

&quot;I want to vote for Chris Daggett, but only if he has a real chance of winning. He needs pledges from 100,000 people like me. I don&#039;t want to wait til Election Day to find out that those votes existed, but we were all afraid to cast them. So, I&#039;m signing my name below, with my address to prove that I&#039;m real, and pledging that if 100,000 people like me sign up, I will vote for Daggett.&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://chris-daggett.alexanderhiggins.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Take the I&#039;ll Vote For Daggett Pledge Here&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The I&#8217;ll vote for Daggett Pledge</p>
<p>&#8220;I want to vote for Chris Daggett, but only if he has a real chance of winning. He needs pledges from 100,000 people like me. I don&#8217;t want to wait til Election Day to find out that those votes existed, but we were all afraid to cast them. So, I&#8217;m signing my name below, with my address to prove that I&#8217;m real, and pledging that if 100,000 people like me sign up, I will vote for Daggett.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://chris-daggett.alexanderhiggins.com/" rel="nofollow">Take the I&#8217;ll Vote For Daggett Pledge Here</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Bad Parents!! by Kevin McNulty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin McNulty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post, Steve.  Having two kids myself, I&#039;ve experienced the phenomenon: you hear one of these stories and the childless in the room start criticizing the parent while you&#039;re thinking, &quot;there but for the grace of God go I.&quot;

When my son was a baby we were having dinner at a restaurant and he was gnawing on a breadstick - perfectly harmless behavior he&#039;d done dozens of times before.  But this time, he decided to test his newly-sprouted tooth and while my wife and I were talking to each other, he managed to break off a bit just big enough to lodge in his throat.

Amazingly, and I truly am NOT making this up, the conversation my wife and I were having was about infant first aid and I was telling her about the choking first aid I had just learned!

As it became apparent that our son was truly choking, I grabbed him out of the high chair, flipped him over my arm, and gave him several good whacks on the back.  The offending breadstick bit flew out of his mouth followed by some well deserved crying.

Had that happened a few days before I learned that first aid...well, I shudder to think.

Sixteen years later he is a happy, healthy, somewhat gainfully employed honor student.  He managed to survive despite the odds, and we couldn&#039;t be prouder.

So yes, I can definitely relate to what you&#039;re saying here - thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, Steve.  Having two kids myself, I&#8217;ve experienced the phenomenon: you hear one of these stories and the childless in the room start criticizing the parent while you&#8217;re thinking, &#8220;there but for the grace of God go I.&#8221;</p>
<p>When my son was a baby we were having dinner at a restaurant and he was gnawing on a breadstick &#8211; perfectly harmless behavior he&#8217;d done dozens of times before.  But this time, he decided to test his newly-sprouted tooth and while my wife and I were talking to each other, he managed to break off a bit just big enough to lodge in his throat.</p>
<p>Amazingly, and I truly am NOT making this up, the conversation my wife and I were having was about infant first aid and I was telling her about the choking first aid I had just learned!</p>
<p>As it became apparent that our son was truly choking, I grabbed him out of the high chair, flipped him over my arm, and gave him several good whacks on the back.  The offending breadstick bit flew out of his mouth followed by some well deserved crying.</p>
<p>Had that happened a few days before I learned that first aid&#8230;well, I shudder to think.</p>
<p>Sixteen years later he is a happy, healthy, somewhat gainfully employed honor student.  He managed to survive despite the odds, and we couldn&#8217;t be prouder.</p>
<p>So yes, I can definitely relate to what you&#8217;re saying here &#8211; thanks.</p>
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